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Sulphurik
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 Posted - 2019/12/15 : 19:23:25
So what speed should an average UK hardcore track be? Do you think 165+ bpm?
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djDMS
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Posted - 2019/12/15 : 19:26:02
170 minimum for me. Never mix at less than 175.
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2019/12/15 : 20:40:32
I've noticed this trend as well, and I don't see how they're passing it off as "UK Hardcore". I would expect most UK Hardcore to be produced around 168 - 175 bpm. I hope this trend doesn't last and we get things back on track.
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trippnface
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Posted - 2019/12/21 : 18:27:33
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Originally posted by djDMS:
170 minimum for me. Never mix at less than 175.
this is law
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The drunken scotsman
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Posted - 2019/12/21 : 19:51:13
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Originally posted by Johnscardy:
160bpm doesn't bother me... The fact that it's absolute shit does. Pitch it up to 170 and it will still be shit. You can't polish a turd!
Agreed!
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carldj90
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Posted - 2019/12/29 : 07:18:53
I just wanna say the 90's had a very unique feeling to that era. Life was different.
The 2000's still held that. We are about to be out of the 2010's and everything in music has a depressing feeling. From the style of cloths to the music we listen to.
So maybe the speed will pick up in 2030.
But maybe nothing has actually changed. From producing at a slower speed I know for a fact it has helped hard dance. Hardcore? Maybe not so much, but it will return.
When you update an old school sound you get what we have today. It happens to sound better at 160 sometimes.
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Jacco
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Posted - 2020/02/09 : 17:28:36
Who's afraid of 1 7 8?
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Vladel
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Posted - 2020/02/09 : 18:40:01
178 is a good place to start
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Entity
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Posted - 2020/02/11 : 07:04:07
May I pimp my recent wares? Forthcoming EP on Brutal Kutz. One is 180, one is 190 and the other is 200. I'm 41 and piffle to this slowing-down bollocks.
Here's a Frenchcore update of Spice.
A love-letter to mid-90's Dutch happycore as I like to call it
And a 200 BPM happy & hard jobbie with Darwin.
Couple of mixdown tweaks needed here and there, but still. Pffffft etc. Rar.
<3
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trippnface
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Posted - 2020/02/12 : 01:45:44
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Originally posted by Entity:
May I pimp my recent wares? Forthcoming EP on Brutal Kutz. One is 180, one is 190 and the other is 200. I'm 41 and piffle to this slowing-down bollocks.
Here's a Frenchcore update of Spice.
A love-letter to mid-90's Dutch happycore as I like to call it
And a 200 BPM happy & hard jobbie with Darwin.
Couple of mixdown tweaks needed here and there, but still. Pffffft etc. Rar.
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lol ,**** yes bro <3
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rafferty
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Posted - 2020/02/15 : 03:16:18
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Originally posted by Entity:
May I pimp my recent wares? Forthcoming EP on Brutal Kutz. One is 180, one is 190 and the other is 200. I'm 41 and piffle to this slowing-down bollocks.
Here's a Frenchcore update of Spice.
A love-letter to mid-90's Dutch happycore as I like to call it
And a 200 BPM happy & hard jobbie with Darwin.
Couple of mixdown tweaks needed here and there, but still. Pffffft etc. Rar.
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Fark Yeah, awesome tunage!! Really well done 👊
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Craigavon raver
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Posted - 2020/04/07 : 20:12:15
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Originally posted by rafferty:
Hixxy had a big discussion about this in on his latest Rinse FM show. He seemed to be supportive of slower Hardcore productions and just freedom of speed in Hardcore.
But to me when I hear all that 92 stuff he plays, it doesn't even sound like Hardcore. Is about the speed of House Music.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON SO MANY HARDCORE DJS GOING SLOWER? I am not a fan.
Vibes - plays & produces slower 92 style
Slipmatt - plays slower 92 style
Seduction - producing slower 92 style
Billy Bunter - plays 92 style on podcast
Darren Styles - Slower 160bpm
Dougal - slowed his productions to 160 with Minus the crown
Joey Riot - Also slowed his productions down to 160 with Minus the crown.
Hixxy - playing constant slower 160 tracks on his podcast
Mob now Mike Reverie - slower 160
Respect to the guys who are not doing a DARREN STYLES and watering down their sound.
170 crew
Fracus, Darwin, Scott Brown, AL Storm, Nobody, Rob IYF etc
Well if someone is playing or producing 1992 style it's obviously going to be slower, as hardcore was breakbeat at the time and wasn't as fast, but def agree aboutsome of the other stuff, hardcore has to be at least 170 bpm, don't listen to much new hardcore these days, but have heard clips of styles, and a bit of hixxy on rinse fm, and not sure whats going on, remember hearing the start of hixxy set on rinse fm and think I thought "is this hardcore" lol wasn't even sure, does he just play hardcore on rinse fm?
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Craigavon raver
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Posted - 2020/04/07 : 20:22:28
Or maybe I should read everything first! just making hardcore at a slower pace, nah has to be faster for me, 170 bpm at least like I already said, and I think i'd have to agree with a few people here and say they've slowed it down to try and appeal to other dance genre followers and to fit in more with other dance genres
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Craigavon raver
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Posted - 2020/04/09 : 19:23:42
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Originally posted by LeVzi:
The whole raver tots thing is to get younger people and their families into rave music from yesteryear.
the original rave sound is what people seem to promote now, and i'm done with it. I love it, I started raving to it, but the 94 sound is where it's at tbh. Faster breakbeat.
I don't think you can make that sound as popular as it was, but it doesn't harm to bring it to a new generation.
Yeah I've seen that raver tots thing before, couldn't really believe it to be fair when i first seen it 
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Craigavon raver
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Posted - 2020/04/09 : 19:40:16
And back on topic, never mind dj's making and producing slower hardcore these days, you never notice when the same dj's play classic sets from the mid 90's, that they play them (sometimes a good bit slower) than when they first came out, a good example was that ministry of sound cd last year, back to the happy hardcore mixed by dougal b2b hixxy, so slow at times i thought!!! pitch it up ffs, but then again trying to appeal more to other edm followers, and a ministry of sound release, no doubt a coincidence there! Hmmm
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