Posted - 2020/10/18 : 09:55:07
I listened to this yesterday, and it was a good listen. Was interesting to see how Styles and Force hooked up and started (With the Evolution)
They made a great point, why the 90's is unique and unrepeatable. And why it impacts UK Hardcore so much.
I kinda take it for granted I was listening to music evolving so fast over 10 years. 90's old school to breakbeat to 4 beat to whatever you call it at the end. So much variation and so much fresh new stuff. no wonder it was so special. I'd never really thought of it like that tbh. 3 maybe 4 changes in style over 10 years in the same Rave bracket. Id say its more like 6 or 7 , if you count the "branch offs " Like bouncy techno, trancecore etc.
The mix they did too is a good example of it. Listening to it now, the energy in that style of music in all it's forms just still makes my adrenaline flow
Si Thompson Junior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2020/10/18 : 13:02:38
quote:Originally posted by 9oh9:
Interesting hearing about the infamous "hardcore summit" meeting in '99 too haha. I'd always wondered why they tried to play trance at a hardcore rave! They said that nobody else followed along with what was decided (to try and slow things down), but to be fair that could be why Hixxy was pushing the B-Trax/Bonkers 7 sound at the time too?
Hixxy was starting to play Trance/Hard Trance imports in 1998, so it wasn't to do with that 1999 meeting.
I must admit, I did smile when Grant suggested slowing the music down. Brisk wouldn't have been impressed.
Si Thompson Junior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2020/10/18 : 19:09:12
quote:Originally posted by 9oh9:
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
quote:Originally posted by 9oh9:
Interesting hearing about the infamous "hardcore summit" meeting in '99 too haha. I'd always wondered why they tried to play trance at a hardcore rave! They said that nobody else followed along with what was decided (to try and slow things down), but to be fair that could be why Hixxy was pushing the B-Trax/Bonkers 7 sound at the time too?
Hixxy was starting to play Trance/Hard Trance imports in 1998, so it wasn't to do with that 1999 meeting.
I must admit, I did smile when Grant suggested slowing the music down. Brisk wouldn't have been impressed.
He might've been playing a few imports, but Bonkers 7 was an entire album disc of trance influenced hardcore that him and UFO knocked out at 160-165 bpm; sounds pretty much like what F&S were saying with "everyone was told to go away and make a few tracks at a slower speed"! Would love to hear what F&S came up with, doubt we ever will though...
Just assertions. I guess we will never know for sure.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
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195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2020/10/19 : 07:23:49
If they're complaining that Hixxy told them to go and make slower Hardcore, how come that F&S mix on the first post sounds slowed down?
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Si Thompson Junior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2020/10/19 : 09:11:52
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
If they're complaining that Hixxy told them to go and make slower Hardcore, how come that F&S mix on the first post sounds slowed down?
They weren't complaining that Hixxy told them anything. It was the general consensus that came from the meeting that was called by Grant and Mike. Force & Styles were one of the advocates in bringing the BPM down.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
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Posted - 2020/10/19 : 15:12:21
I don't know if they said that in the interview since I didn't listen to all of it, so I didn't know that.
But it does make more sense that Darren had it easier to transist to slower "hardcore"
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Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
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Posted - 2020/10/22 : 08:19:06
To be honest, if it hadn't changed, I would probably never have gotten into Hardcore. Sure I had some albums already back in 2000 (Off yer Nut!! 1 and 2) but it was just something I bought on random because it was in a sales bin.
But funny enough, I enjoyed Demo's mix more than I did Fury's, and the stuff on Fury's mix was something I later liked a lot more than the stuff on Demo's mix.
And I didn't really like the stuff on Brisk's mix on OYN2, and I later came to like Happy2bHardcore Chapter's three to six, and most of the same tracks on Brisk's mix were on those 4 albums
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Dj Tripnosis Senior Member
Canada
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Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2020/11/07 : 20:27:23
agree that a back catalogue would be welcome, though I'd rather it wasn't remastered to be honest - far too many ****ed brickwalled tracks knocking about.
Advather Senior Member
United States
256 posts Joined: Jun, 2013
Posted - 2020/11/07 : 22:50:08
quote:Originally posted by Triquatra:
agree that a back catalogue would be welcome, though I'd rather it wasn't remastered to be honest - far too many ****ed brickwalled tracks knocking about.
Like the recent Nu Energy bundle, though I'm still happy to have it.
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Craigavon raver Advanced Member
Ireland
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Posted - 2021/01/17 : 19:38:24
quote:Originally posted by 9oh9:
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
quote:Originally posted by 9oh9:
Interesting hearing about the infamous "hardcore summit" meeting in '99 too haha. I'd always wondered why they tried to play trance at a hardcore rave! They said that nobody else followed along with what was decided (to try and slow things down), but to be fair that could be why Hixxy was pushing the B-Trax/Bonkers 7 sound at the time too?
Hixxy was starting to play Trance/Hard Trance imports in 1998, so it wasn't to do with that 1999 meeting.
I must admit, I did smile when Grant suggested slowing the music down. Brisk wouldn't have been impressed.
He might've been playing a few imports, but Bonkers 7 was an entire album disc of trance influenced hardcore that him and UFO knocked out at 160-165 bpm; sounds pretty much like what F&S were saying with "everyone was told to go away and make a few tracks at a slower speed"! Would love to hear what F&S came up with, doubt we ever will though...
Is hixxys bonkers 7 that bpm? then again the more you think about it, bonkers 7 was actually my first bonkers so I probably never really noticed it as been used to it that long and heard it before any other bonkers
Craigavon raver Advanced Member
Ireland
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Posted - 2021/01/17 : 19:43:06
Seen these on soundcloud a few months ago, never got round to listening to them though, sounds intresting and must def listen when I get a chance, also seen slipmatt, luna-c which would be intresting to hear also, plus a few dnb and jungle dj's which I would have no intention of listening to.
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Posted - 2020/10/18 : 09:55:07
then again the more you think about it, bonkers 7 was actually my first bonkers so I probably never really noticed it as been used to it that long and heard it before any other bonkers
