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Shade0
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 Posted - 2005/03/05 : 22:53:59
Right 1st off i expect to probabally be lynched for even mentioning the dreaded topic. But its been bugging me for a while.
Yes as we all know downloading music/films/applications is wrong.
But where is the line drawn.
For example, if a policeman walked into your living room, surely you should be arrested for recording films from sky/tv/cable, for any recordings from the radio etc. This has been going on since before i was born and yet no one takes a blind notice (is this a quote??). So why when your ordinary teenager decides to d/l something is it all of a sudden piracy. Theres no real difference between lending a video or cd to your mate.
And also, as a consumer, should you not have the right to sample goods before you buy them. Im not talking download them. Im talking free once off listen.??
Crap ive rambled on... Any thoughts.
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thecrazyg
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 Posted - 2005/03/05 : 23:04:13
agree with u bout being able to hear the FULL thing before u buy it especially for online n such .. .
but then the recordstore would have to pay a broadcasting fee or sumthin wouldnt they for playin the full tune over the net?
as far as anything else goes my pirating days are done. Got my decks now and i dont have any vinyl presses lyin about unfortunately...
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Cyberpunk
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 05:21:37
I agree. Life can sometimes be a dick, when it gets hard, ride it.
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lucificifus
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 05:25:45
Yes. Ride that dick.
Piracy is wrong. But the ******** corporations pull is worse.
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whispering
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 06:11:35
quote:
Originally posted by Shade0:
For example, if a policeman walked into your living room, surely you should be arrested for recording films from sky/tv/cable, for any recordings from the radio etc. This has been going on since before i was born and yet no one takes a blind notice (is this a quote??). So why when your ordinary teenager decides to d/l something is it all of a sudden piracy. Theres no real difference between lending a video or cd to your mate.
Its legal to record from radio/TV to your own use. Also in Finland its legal to copy your CD to "few" of your mates, if theres no money involved. Of course using p2p programs doesnt really go into that category.
Most stores here, let you listen the CD before you buy it, if you ask about it. Also many (not many enough though) have soundclips of the records in their sites.
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bobthebrave
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 09:29:07
In the UK recording off the TV/Radio is ok/legal if you are doing what is know as "time shifting" i.e record now to watch later. But u are then strictly speaking you are supposed to delete after you have watched it bit of a strange law but that’s why is legal.
But I have to say to like to here before i buy :-) have taken CD's back to shops before because they were sooo bad and never had any problems doing so.
But completely disagree with piracy it makes the rest of us pay more for some peoples freebies!!!!!!!!!!!
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 11:04:21
Piracy is such a tentaive topic.
quote:
Yes as we all know downloading music/films/applications is wrong.
But where is the line drawn.
You said it yourself, downloading these things (piracy) is wrong. This is very blanket statement.
There are companies that allow you try their product and downloading it and sharing it all without paying a cent/being illegal. Download.com has plenty of these types of things. And on some websites, like imorecords, and shop.happyhardcore.com, they have low quality clips of tracks that you can listen to before you buy them.
As for a free once off listen. Record stores have something like this, you walk in, you ask to listen to the record/CD and they put it on. Or do you mean over the internet? Cos over the net, such a thing will not exist, for the simple fact that it can be tampered with and the next thing you know, the free once off listen has become a part of your growing mp3 collection.
There are 2 solutions to this problem. Get and job, and get a credit card so you can buy your music/programs, and 2 beg the party you would normally steal off to give it to you for free. (yes steal, not commit 'copyright infringment', this term is a farse)
Rant over.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 14:28:19
then of course there is ebay - if you buy cds from ebay (ones that are still out)
effectivly your not putting any money back into the scene,
your just spending say £5 on a cd you could have bought in a store for £15...
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mj-dream
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 15:05:41
its an interesting topic but one that can be argued over and over again.
i read sumwhere on net that in sixties or woteva records were dead cheap and everyone was buying them but as everything the companies realised how much they could make and prices increased etc so really if ant been greedy money grabbing bastards in the first place i dnt think the problem would be as damaging as it can be today.
just look at the price of vinyl compared with cd?its more or less the same price but vinyl costs more to manfacture and cds dnt if you buy a cd single from hmv its like 4 quid.its because most of the major record labels are there for money not the music its like popstars.how many of them would still wannabe popstars if the money and fame dint come with it?not many i bet.
then on the other hand theres peeps like scott brown hixxy brisk etc who arnt exactly innit for the money coz theres not a vast amount to be made and its people like this what piracy hurts.
i couldnt giv a toss if i ripped off a britney spears track personally the celebrity popstars brought it on themselves from greed but its peeps like tha hardcore djs who will stand to loose there bread n butter not the millionaires wev all made.
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whispering
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 15:15:44
quote:
Originally posted by mj-dream:
just look at the price of vinyl compared with cd?its more or less the same price but vinyl costs more to manfacture and cds dnt if you buy a cd single from hmv its like 4 quid.its because most of the major record labels are there for money not the music its like popstars.how many of them would still wannabe popstars if the money and fame dint come with it?not many i bet.
Uhm, if i buy a vinyl its 10€ and i get 2-3 tracks. If i buy a CD single its 7€ and i get 4-9 tracks.
Also big labels get profit from about 10% of the records they release. If there wasnt e.g. Britney, they couldnt release stuff from a lot of smaller artists.
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Samination
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 15:30:46
that's bullux whispering.
There something to what mjdream about the price skyrocketed at the time of example Elvis Presley or Beatles, hey they where real money pullers and all the fans wouldn't mind buying it because they couldn't get in another way than buying it themself.
Today that's a dilemma tho, now that computers & internet make almost everything recordable, and the large record companies tries to stop this. Only way to stop it is to stop the production of recordable programs, which they can todally forget now.
Heck, I've said it before and I'll say it the day I get banned.
If it wheren't for 'piracy' (Piracy is the ****ing wrong thing to actually call it, because pirates steals and doesn't give, which doesn't really comply to the p2p society where you trade), I would NEVER have heard of Hardcore. I'd still be listening to commercial radio and maybe would start to wank off to Britney Spears songs. Nothing wrong with music coming on radio, I still love music like Bon Jovi and the 80's styled Rock. But today the commerical music isn't for making people listen to good msuic, it's just making money.
Wouldn't suprise me if someone on here was waiting for me to reply, because some of the high ranked people in here knows I still have illegal tracks. But hell, I'm not afraid, just look at what I got now, 130 full records and about the same amount of legal bought digital files, and it keeps on growing, even larger than the amount of so called illegal stuff I got
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zippy
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 15:58:21
whats the story with old cds that arnt in the shops any longer,surely if there not for sale any longer then there is no money to be reaped from them...are they then avalable to download ok?
i only ask as i am tempted to a couple of the ***% makina albums as i dont see them in shops.
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Samination
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 16:04:37
if asking anyone in here, i dont think so.
I dont know how it works with music, but with most software companyes actually release programs/games as 'abandonware' when they get old (some of the large names like id and Rockstar games has done it a couple of times).
when it comes to music or copyrighted things in general, it has a 85 years limit before it can 'be gotten for free', as long as there's no new copyright owner on the product/information
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zippy
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 16:21:16
a pretty confused with it...i found this site:
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which is just a site for music...but it offers albums on some werid transfer application called 'bobdown' which i have never heard of...so i dont no where i stand on legalness
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Samination
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 16:24:42
those aren't legal as I can see it
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MohawkGeorge
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Posted - 2005/03/06 : 16:37:44
Samination has a real good point, i've spoken to him before but not on this subject. If someone doesnt have decks how are they supposed listen to hardcore? yeah theres the bonkers albums but thats only 13, where then? i also wouldnt be into hardcore if it wasnt for mp3's and in the last 4 months i have spent far over £500 on vinyl. plus say if someone does only download hardcore i bet they will still go to the hardcore nights which support the dj's far more than vinyl sale. i think legal downloads is a brill idea, but £1.50 for something you download? you dont get any fancy vinyl case.
also whats peoples view on downloading an mp3 of a track that you own?
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