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Mickey Init
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 Posted - 2016/11/12 : 01:05:35
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Originally posted by CDJay:
ATM I'd say Technikore is on tip-top form.
Always has been, always will be. I don't think he's ever produced an embarrassment of a tune. Even the Soap On A Rope tunes were decent bootlegs! Even Wanna Be There was awesome and that reached Cheese Level 99.
Being honest, though, F&D/HU have been the ones that have kept me interested in hardcore over the last few years. I think without some of the projects that have come to fruition, I'd still be listening to Bonkers 1-17 on repeat every day. Don't get me wrong, I like the TWR stuff, too. It's just they don't do anything interesting with their music.
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Vladel
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Posted - 2016/11/12 : 19:55:52
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Originally posted by arpz:
MOB is capable of putting out some brilliant melodic tracks, I think to be honest you're just a bit too jaded mate. I don't subscribe to the whole 'dont say anything if you cant say anything nice' thing but perhaps it's got to the point with you that it might be worth considering?
I did say something nice, I bought one of his tracks!
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Edited by - Vladel on 2016/11/12 19:56:36 |
arpz
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Posted - 2016/11/12 : 21:13:03
I'm looking forward to (hopefully) getting a version of Iron heart that doesn't have the horrible hiss/clipping in the vocal that's present in the trackitdown version
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djDMS
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Posted - 2016/11/12 : 23:07:35
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Originally posted by arpz:
I'm looking forward to (hopefully) getting a version of Iron heart that doesn't have the horrible hiss/clipping in the vocal that's present in the trackitdown version
Is the version on the Kutski album different?
Can't recall the one I have sounding so bad.
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arpz
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Posted - 2016/11/12 : 23:21:23
I haven't heard the Kutski album, I've only heard the trackitdown one. I thought it was potentially due to encoding at trackitdown (I don't know how it works, do they get wavs and then encode MP3 on the site?) so I messaged MOB about it. He told me to send him a screenshot of my order and would resend it to me but it never happened and I haven't chased it up.
It's most noticeable during a breakdown and from memory the word 'away' has it pretty bad. I say 'bad', it's not ridiculous, struggled to hear it on my mates monitors but it's fairly clear on mine. I'll make a clip if anyone cares enough
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Edited by - arpz on 2016/11/12 23:25:30 |
arpz
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Posted - 2016/11/12 : 23:24:19
edit: dbl post
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Edited by - arpz on 2016/11/12 23:25:03 |
CDJay
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Posted - 2016/11/12 : 23:30:31
If I haven't noticed that during QA I will be fairly cross with myself. To a point. I need rest. Hmmz. I'll check tomorrow 
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arpz
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Posted - 2016/11/12 : 23:36:19
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Originally posted by CDJay:
If I haven't noticed that during QA I will be fairly cross with myself. To a point. I need rest. Hmmz. I'll check tomorrow
CDJay
I was expecting it to be gone just cause of the fact that it's an edit to the original (I think?) but I don't really know if it's an artifact introduced by encoding or whether it's actually present on the original. Let me know if you need a clip
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CDJay
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Posted - 2016/11/12 : 23:57:56
Might be useful to reference. Am desperately hoping so as I want the HH album uncompromised.
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Advather
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Posted - 2016/11/13 : 00:18:49
My best guess is intersample peak clipping due to loudness war mastering. Lossy compression makes intersample peaks worse than in the original. If you and your friend have different equipment with different DACs, then that might explain the issue. Some have extra headroom to cope with this issue, and some don't. I've heard this problem on a lot of hardcore releases, and even on professionally released hardcore albums (such as Who's Got The Stamina).
EDIT: I wouldn't mind hearing a clip. This sort of technical stuff fascinates me.
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arpz
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Posted - 2016/11/13 : 00:21:52
I just noticed it on my USB gaming headset as well, I've made a clip -
http://fikshun.me/IronHeartclip.wav
I only have the 320 mp3 from trackitdown but exported as wav so as to not introduce anything else
edit: we did hear it on his equipment, it was definitely there, but a touch less. As it is, I wouldn't play this mp3 in a set
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Edited by - arpz on 2016/11/13 00:26:55 |
Advather
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Posted - 2016/11/13 : 00:28:49
Thanks for the clip. I'll do some quick analysis and post my findings.
FINDINGS:
There is a slight amount of intersample peak clipping in that song, but honestly not that much compared to most other stuff out there which doesn't have such noticeable clipping. I heard a huge amount of clipping in that file, though. The worst of it was at the end of the clip starting around 42 seconds.
I think the only way to know for sure is buy the wav from trackitdown and see if it has this problem as well. If not, then it must be a problem on the mastering engineer's end.
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Edited by - Advather on 2016/11/13 00:35:31 |
arpz
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Posted - 2016/11/13 : 00:35:17
I wonder if CDJay will literally be uttering the words 'stop the press' :/
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arpz
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Posted - 2016/11/13 : 00:40:17
I don't really know what that stuff means but the hiss/buzz on the vocal should be really quite apparent on anything as good as my headset
edit: ffs sorry, edits edit edits, I assume if it's on the version CDJay has then we also have the answer. I begrudge paying for it from trackitdown again
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Edited by - arpz on 2016/11/13 00:45:11 |
Advather
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Posted - 2016/11/13 : 00:49:07
This was on an HU mixed CD, right? If so, then CDJay likely has an unmastered version, because the whole mix would be mastered as a single unit (I think). I'm tempted to buy the wav on trackitdown myself and see if it has the clipping.
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