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DjZelous
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 Posted - 2018/03/06 : 05:14:33
Hear me out before roasting me on this.
Most of the people on here (Including me) Really do not enjoy gammers new style and sound direction, But the guy is now hanging with the big dogs and playing the biggest festivals. I saw him live last year and he played some massive hardcore anthems from over the years and the crowd was buzzing during his entire set! I really dont enjoy his new hardcore tunes at all but hes putting out hardcore to the masses.
Agree or disagree?
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arpz
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Posted - 2018/03/06 : 07:04:47
Disagree. He's not actually pushing 'hardcore' at all. He's pushing Gammer and is clearly super enamoured by that whole 'swagger' lifestyle type shit he acts like now. He's pandering to a crowd of people who don't want or know anything about our music, the vast majority of which will be moving on to the next big thing once it comes about.
He has publicly denounced (and blocked on social media) entire swathes of the UK hardcore scene, like literally everyone associated with it. He is 100% not interested.
HU is hardcores biggest asset stateside, promoting actual hardcore to a bunch of people that get it and aren't just there because that's where the new hotness is.
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The drunken scotsman
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Posted - 2018/03/06 : 07:14:45
Agree 100% if you remove the last 2 letters from Asset.
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Bring Me Round To Love
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Posted - 2018/03/06 : 11:00:23
His come along away from watching his Dad DJ Dougal playing steam train train from behind decks.
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PecheyTheLizard
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Posted - 2018/03/06 : 12:43:39
>assumes Gammer is no longer associating himself with hardcore
>He releases hardcore track but people hate it because it's too commercial sounding
Hmmm I wonder why he doesn't associate with the scene anymore. People are too ****ing picky anymore in this scene and it's toxic.
Also, he was working on a 2007 esque Gammer track the other day on Facebook, so no, he isn't quitting on hardcore lol.
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GrahamC
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Posted - 2018/03/06 : 12:47:43
If Hardcore's biggest asset is a guy who stands behind the decks lurching about like somebody having an uncontrollable seizure then Hardcore is completely doomed.
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Claxton
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Posted - 2018/03/06 : 13:33:01
Two years ago when him and Darren Styles began doing major EDM festivals in the States and elsewhere, I had hope it would be positive for the genre.
However, there's absolutely no evidence in the time since then that what they're doing benefits anyone but themselves.
Let go of him!
he's doing wonderfully well for himself and good on him. But, please, let's stop pretending that he is in any way relevant to hardcore music or the scene anymore. He's gone and he isn't bringing new followers into the music. That's just the way it is.
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PecheyTheLizard
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Posted - 2018/03/06 : 15:14:34
Maybe it's better that the scene stays smaller. Maybe it's better that the scene stays special to the small group of people who love the music and appreciate all the effort in it. A lot of people may not like Gammer anymore, but he DOES put effort into what he makes. He does still make hardcore even if it is a fusion of other genres but everyone seems to forget that hardcore, whether happy or UK hardcore has always borrowed from genres.
Yes I understand it's annoying when Gamms calls it Happy Hardcore. But damn man some of you guys are so salty and drag the guy down like he's the next Hitler. Calm yourselves and enjoy what YOU love, instead of putting a bad taste in the mouths of those who like what Gammer, styles, breeze and all of the others are doing. I just find it hilarious that the Ravers of the scene shit all over the scene and the sound nowadays but LEGENDS like freaking SCOTT BROWN still sees the awesome quality and sounds going on and approves of it.
TLDR: listen to what you want and quit being Drama Llamas. That is all : )
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Vladel
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Posted - 2018/03/06 : 15:29:38
Gammer ceased to be hardcore a long time ago and now his antics are counterproductive because they take the shine away from the people who really care about the scene and want it to be better.
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trippnface
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Posted - 2018/03/06 : 16:51:13
I don't go for the argument " bigger crowd - better exposure"
The vast majority of the time, what it took to get the bigger crowd and more exposure, was the artist completely redefining the sound that got them where they were to begin with.
Example. Pendulum turning into Knife Party.
Sure, Pendulum was big, but Knife Party got much bigger. Using your example, it would be like saying
"Knife Party is DnB's greatest asset ", which is ********. Knife Party doesn't play dnb. maybe a little bit, but is that tiny bit of dnb worth calling knife party an asset to dnb? Maybe knife party exposed more people to dnb, but was it worth the loss of Pendulum?
That is how I feel about calling Gammer an asset to hardcore. Complete switch of style ( refused to change name), but still wants to be considered part of the hardcore scene. There is no denying he was an asset, but that was honestly a decade ago.
These days I can only honestly argue Gammer is the #1 most destructive element of the hardcore scene. I can't stand hearing US Promoters try to tell me playing trap and dubstep is evolving the hardcore scene. Downright ****ing lazy dick riders.
" I cant stand pika girl, but don't you dare talk shit on my trapcore set" . lol.
when that recent spat with brisk went down and loads of people called gammer out for being a twat, the only ones defending gammer where the USA dick rider kids
" no way!, gammer is SO nice, he would NEVER do that"
Not suprised they never see the bad side, they never do anything except drool over him.
give gammer a tad of criticism and he loses his shit
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Samination
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Posted - 2018/03/06 : 17:36:59
Well, I'd say the same thing happened when Breeze tried to turn Clubland Xtreme Hardcore to a faster Drumstep brand
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Bring Me Round To Love
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Posted - 2018/03/06 : 18:32:20
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Originally posted by trippnface:
when that recent spat with brisk went down and loads of people called gammer out for being a twat, the only ones defending gammer where the USA dick rider kids
What spat? What have i missed.. DJ Brisk one of the good guys, loyal to his fans, humble and always stayed true to what Hardcore was about.
The biggest asset to our scene is actually Brisk.
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trippnface
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Posted - 2018/03/06 : 18:52:29
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Originally posted by Bring Me Round To Love:
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Originally posted by trippnface:
when that recent spat with brisk went down and loads of people called gammer out for being a twat, the only ones defending gammer where the USA dick rider kids
What spat? What have i missed.. DJ Brisk one of the good guys, loyal to his fans, humble and always stayed true to what Hardcore was about.
The biggest asset to our scene is actually Brisk.
if you are friends with brisk on fb you should be able to find the post, gammer apparently made a joke/ diss about a show or something ( who can tell with him) and brisk called him out on acting like a dick and saying gammer needs to respect his fans. of course thread blew up and got big lol, im not friends with him so my buddy had to show me, or i would link it
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arpz
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Posted - 2018/03/06 : 19:15:41
This discussion is actually happening on Brisks group on FB at the moment (well, a bit earlier). Needless to say, I was met by a couple of US fanbois that wouldn't pay any heed to what I was saying
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trippnface
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Posted - 2018/03/06 : 20:14:32
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Originally posted by 9oh9:
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Originally posted by Samination:
Well, I'd say the same thing happened when Breeze tried to turn Clubland Xtreme Hardcore to a faster Drumstep brand
To be fair hardcore has always ripped off taken influences from whatever the popular genre was at the time. In the early 00s, it was (hard) trance, which IMO worked very well. I don't blame Breeze for trying it with dubstep; the sound at the time was arguably the same as it had been since 2002ish, and I guess he wanted to try something new, so why not jump on the dubstep bandwagon. The current EDM/Hardstyle sound isn't to my taste either, but I don't blame them for trying. Eventually they might hit on a combination that works for me; or perhaps I'm just old and unable to appreciate new music as much!
i def agree, but also I find it hard to believe dj's/ producers are so dumb as to not realize hardcore/ trance went well togethert, because female vocals, euphoric breakdowns and melodies, pianos galore and MDMA go really good together. to make the leap that "trap/dubstep" have anything to offer alongside the evolution of music that encompasses the aforementioned qualities, was an absolutely stupid idea.
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trippnface
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Posted - 2018/03/06 : 20:16:46
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Originally posted by arpz:
This discussion is actually happening on Brisks group on FB at the moment (well, a bit earlier). Needless to say, I was met by a couple of US fanbois that wouldn't pay any heed to what I was saying
Gammer can do no wrong in their eyes, it makes me cringe so hard.
I am sure Brisk talking down on their idol must bring them to the point of tears.
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