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Rhoobarb2005
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 Posted - 2019/11/22 : 07:53:25
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Originally posted by LeVzi:
Well, for me, yesterday showed the outcome of this GE.
Labour are completely unelectable, they would bankrupt this country with their manifesto, their plans are completely not possible.
Sorry, even if you love Labour and Corbyn, you must be able to see their planned borrowing, planned spending simply do not add up. I don't need to advocate for any other party here, Labour are just dreaming with it. Would be a massive mistake to put them in power.
There are no good options though, they are all sleazy liars who blind people with promises of rainbows and fairy dust if they get in power, vs Armageddon if the 'others' get in.
It's not about "our party is better because...." anymore. It's "their party is worse because.....".
Look at the cons, creating fake websites pretending to be labor, and "fact" based twitter accounts, but oop, no we won't let you look at the Russian "donation" report. Why not put that effort into making your own party look better? Because they can't. Same with them all. It's a grim and bleak outlook no matter who you believe.
It's a case of choosing which you despise the least. Or better yet, which pack of lies is the most digestible and leaves you feeling less guilty when they don't happen.
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Rhoobarb2005
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Posted - 2019/11/22 : 11:01:17
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Originally posted by MusicILove:
If you dislike Russia why would you support labour? They will get rid of our nuclear deterrent which could mean Russia could just walk in and take over.. They could just say give us everything or we will kill you all.
Did they say they would get rid, or stop the money being spent on trident? (havent been keeping up with that)
I never said I was support/vote labour (I am still undecided until everyone sets out their lies, I mean plans), I was more just responding to comments about labour's "promises".
As I said, ALL politicians are corrupt scum. It was the reason I was apolitical before. I hold no allegiance to any party or politician.
It makes me feel a bit dirty to plant my flag in one camp, as none of them fully represent what I would like.
I just have to vote for those who I think will stuff this country up the least, based on my views.
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Samination
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Posted - 2019/11/22 : 11:07:49
For the love of capitalism... western socialism isn't the same as Russian socialism.
Just look at us in Sweden. We have an even more lefty socialism than labour, yet we hate Russia even more than UK and US combined.
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Rhoobarb2005
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Posted - 2019/11/22 : 11:44:34
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Originally posted by MusicILove:
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Originally posted by Rhoobarb2005:
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Originally posted by MusicILove:
If you dislike Russia why would you support labour? They will get rid of our nuclear deterrent which could mean Russia could just walk in and take over.. They could just say give us everything or we will kill you all.
Did they say they would get rid, or stop the money being spent on trident? (havent been keeping up with that)
I never said I was support/vote labour (I am still undecided until everyone sets out their lies, I mean plans), I was more just responding to comments about labour's "promises".
As I said, ALL politicians are corrupt scum. It was the reason I was apolitical before. I hold no allegiance to any party or politician.
It makes me feel a bit dirty to plant my flag in one camp, as none of them fully represent what I would like.
I just have to vote for those who I think will stuff this country up the least, based on my views.
Fair enough to be honest I?m now fed up of voting I wish that a party would get in do their 4 or 5 years and do what they say they?re going to do within those 4 or 5 years. Instead of just going back on promises or saying we?ve made some progress but we need another 4 or 5 years to finish it.
Don't forget the old classic "The last 4 years under us have been hard, buuuuuuuuut that's because we were clearing up the previous governments mess! Not our fault, vote for us!"
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2019/11/22 : 18:37:39
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Originally posted by Rhoobarb2005:
Don't forget the old classic "The last 4 years under us have been hard, buuuuuuuuut that's because we were clearing up the previous governments mess! Not our fault, vote for us!"
Well Labour did leave us a lot of mess to clear up!
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2019/11/23 : 16:21:18
Depending on where you are BXP is most likely a wasted vote. And there'll be wasted votes all over the place until we get the country off FPTP and swtiched to something sensible like AMS or STV.
Depending on where a person is of course. Anyone voting for BXP or Green when they want leave/remain needs to check the votes in their area otherwise they may just be letting someone in who is even further from their own stance.
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Advather
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Posted - 2019/11/24 : 09:58:37
The way I view the EU, highly simplified, it acts as a national government in which the EU nations are like states in the US. Maybe this is incorrect, but this is how I view it (e.g. passport-free movement, highly free trade, unified laws on certain issues, EU border nations being punished for blocking unauthorized migrants, etc.).
Do the UK and other EU nations want national sovereignty or not?
I'm drunk on Schnapps btw or I wouldn't post this.
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djDMS
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Posted - 2019/11/24 : 10:38:17
Like it or hate it, the EU wouldn't exist if there weren't some benefits to being a member.
I hope everything's lovely when we leave, but I have no idea what'll happen - and if 'experts' can't agree on the outcome who am I to say?
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Si Thompson
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Posted - 2019/12/05 : 02:53:15
What's the predictions then? One week today.
Hung parliament, or Tory majority?
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2019/12/05 : 06:48:29
Polling predictions hint at a Tory majority. The Tories took a minor dip last week thanks to Corbyn's 'The NHS s going to be sold to the Americans' smear which was debunked straight away and now Trump has come out saying that he has no interest in the NHS.
There are also reports of leaked files from Corbyn that Corbyn somehow got his hands on. This story has been in the background but the BBC are refusing to touch it.
It is blatantly obvious that the BBC are biased in favour of Labour.
While some of the Labour gains in the polls are likely from them picking a few Lib Dem voters the Tories are still holding a steady lead against Labour. Compare that to polling in 2017 then the Tories should hopefully win.
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Si Thompson
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Posted - 2019/12/05 : 12:16:48
Sent my voting papers by post this morning.
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2019/12/05 : 15:56:28
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Originally posted by MusicILove:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/03/diane-abbotts-son-accused-assaulting-officer-outside-foreign/
It?s interesting how doctored papers from reddit created by the Russians can get talked about everywhere but some real news gets covered up. Clearly shows they are only willing to report on what suits them.
https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-leak-of-jeremy-corbyns-nhs-papers-raises-spectre-of-foreign-influence-11877000
My prediction is conservatives win majority. Brexit Party pick up a few. SMP loses more seats and Lib Dem?s lose seats because some of their current MP?s were elected to other parties
Just looking at the BBC website it is full of pro Labour stories and anti Tory articles.
The Diane Abbot story is absent as is the Russian links and I don't think they have even thought of investigating potential voter fraud. Had it been the other way around and it was thought that the Tories where committing such fraud then we would never hear the end of it.
Labour get too much of an easy ride with the BBC
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Posted - 2019/12/05 : 16:55:52
You've totally made that up, most of what I've seen on the BBC has been the opposite.
Generally -
What the Tories are doing/promising
What labour aren't doing.
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Samination
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Posted - 2019/12/05 : 18:09:13
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Originally posted by djDMS:
You've totally made that up, most of what I've seen on the BBC has been the opposite.
Generally -
What the Tories are doing/promising
What labour aren't doing.
sssh, dont wake the Drumpfs
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Rhoobarb2005
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Posted - 2019/12/05 : 20:41:15
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Originally posted by djDMS:
You've totally made that up, most of what I've seen on the BBC has been the opposite.
Generally -
What the Tories are doing/promising
What labour aren't doing.
....and actively covering up what Bojo the clown does to make him look more positive.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-andrew-marr-neil-interview-election-debate-bbc-a9227286.html
https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/bbc-sorry-poppy-wreath
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/nov/25/bbc-admits-mistake-in-editing-out-laughter-at-johnson-in-tv-debate
https://evolvepolitics.com/bbc-chiefs-say-its-wrong-to-expose-boris-johnsons-lies-because-it-undermines-trust-in-democracy/
Totally unbiased.
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