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 Posted - 2020/06/17 : 08:34:50
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No, I'm not 'finding order', I'm stating that being a hypocrit and a rule breaker is worse than just being a rule breaker. It's two things, instead of one. Two. Get it? Two things.... I could understand the trouble if we were talking about double digits or more but this is literally the difference between one and two, keep up.
If you're going to call someone a retard, try to make sure that you spell all the words correctly in the very sentence making the claim. Having said that, hypocrisy is a bit of a theme here.
Yeah, a vast majority are idiots, they're voting for a dream that they can't define. Nothing tangible. Sucked in by the promise that they'd be sticking it to the elite and ?350 million a week to the NHS. I'm not praying for things to get worse but I can see why you'd think that might be the case - you're framing it up in the way that you personally see things, and how you'd respond. That's exactly what I'd expect from a single issue voter. It is possible to feel compassion for other people, not everything has to be a football match.
The vast majority of the media were in support of brexit. Larua Kuenssberg is not good, no, she shows insane bias towards the tories. Going as far as to break electoral law on election day by talking about how things weren't 'looking good' for labour based on postal votes. It's quite amusing really, both sides seem to always say that the BBC is biased for the other team.
You really aren't that bright are you.
a) So basically because Cummings orchestrated Brexit, the left are still enraged. I'm afraid you are going to have to suck that up and move on you little retard, because you lost, and trying anything to get the man sacked, is petty, and pathetic. Typical of any modern lefty.
b) If you are going to use the word hypocrite, at least spell it correctly, I mean really !!!
c) Unfortunately brexit voters can envisage the dream after we leave, and it's already starting to take shape. Changes have been made already that are positive. Covid has stalled all that, but we will pick up. Thankfully Boris has stuck to his word and not granted an extension.
d) The vast majority of media WERE NOT in favour of Brexit, neither were the HoC, or many CEO's of companies, including the bank of England. So how you can claim the opposite is really quite worrying, simply because you believe what you say. As i've said before, delusion is a common trait in the modern brainwashed idiot lefty. A simple google search on Laura Kuenssberg shows her bias against the right, even more so now. The media is in question for bias to the left then and now, with the BBC at the top of the pile for that, but also fake news. BBC reporting on election day, stating that things weren't looking good for Labour isn't bias, its fact. Labour, under Corbyn, lost a landslide, and under Starmer, will do again, the fact they employ racists like Lammy and Butler to prominent positions makes me laugh, it makes sure Labour are completely un-electable for the next decade. Now the government needs to get in the schools and universities and remove the teachers / lecturers preaching and brainwashing the students to "the ways of the left" because that's where it all happens which is why here in Wales , they dropped the voting age to 16 in a vein attempt to buy votes from the youth, who quite frankly are clueless at 16 to politics.
So your claim to have compassion for people yet you condemn a man for caring about his child. You are claiming Cummings was on a jolly up, and that his kid had no baring on that. Makes me wonder who the real hypocrite is here.
a) No, it doesn't have anything to do with brexit. He broke the rules that he created, so he should be sacked. We've seen the results of his actions - shitloads of people completely ignoring lockdown rules and using the 'Cummings defense'. Again, you're calling me a retard, but you're still the one that can only see this through the brexit lens - one issue voter.
b) You don't need spaces before exclamation marks, even if you've got three of them in a row. You really aren't that bright, are you?
c) Are you able to actually state what it is that you're getting from brexit that makes you so happy?
d) The very fact that brexit happens shows that the media were in support of it -
An hour after victory was declared for the Leave side in the referendum, Tony Gallagher, the editor of the Sun, Britain?s biggest-selling newspaper, crowed: ?So much for the waning power of the print media?. In common with the overwhelming majority of the British press, the Sun had throughout the campaign made no secret of its support for Brexit, and had, just days before the referendum, emblazoned its front cover with a Union Jack and the message ?BeLEAVE in Britain?. (https://www.cairn-int.info/article-E_HERM_077_0080--brexit-and-the-media.htm)
Re: Kuenssberg -
It was a fact, and she broke election law to tell us about it. She shows a clear bias to the tories, but you're not going to accept it and will just say the opposite is true. However, just a quick link to her Wikipedia doesn't have much in the way of suggestions of a bias in the other direction - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Kuenssberg#Bias_allegations
The fact that you're trying to say labour are racist, while supporting Boris Johnson is totally laughable.
If you believe the Cummings version of events in its entirety and give him the benefit of the doubt at every single turn, you still have to concede that he decided to take his family in his car for a 30 mile drive to 'test his eyesight'. That's not a man caring for his child, is it?
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Posted - 2020/06/18 : 08:45:37
Well, you voted for the ones who are least likely to help people in your situation.
And I'm with Corbyn, **** Isreal as a state, not its citizen.
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Posted - 2020/06/18 : 08:46:25
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I am not here to talk politics.
I hate politics now and want nothing to do with them.
Please don?t use the word retard.
As a disabled person I have had that term used against me all my life. It isn?t a nice word to use. As for someone who claims to be compassionate for others maybe you need to think a little more about what you say before criticising others.
I'm using his words.
edit: I'm assuming you're talking to me because I'm the one claiming to have compassion?
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Posted - 2020/06/18 : 08:49:25
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Arpz you are the perfect stereotype of the typical lefty idiot that is causing a lot of problems in the UK right now. And if you don't think Lammy and Butler are racists, shows the denial most left wing voters are in. I guess you'd say Jeremy Corbyn wasn't an antisemetic.
Your detraction from the "bleeding obvious" is how lefties think and act.
So glad your labour party are completely un-electable.
Completely Brainwashed... Its sad to see.
Yeah, he isn't anti-semitic. You've just swallowed the ******** that says you can't criticise Israel without being an anti-semite. I'm really not the brainwashed one.
I notice you haven't actually refuted any of my points, you've just repeated your claims that I'm an idiot. Still waiting to hear about these glorious brexit results.
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Posted - 2020/06/18 : 08:56:51
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Originally posted by MusicILove:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by MusicILove:
I am not here to talk politics.
I hate politics now and want nothing to do with them.
Please don?t use the word retard.
As a disabled person I have had that term used against me all my life. It isn?t a nice word to use. As for someone who claims to be compassionate for others maybe you need to think a little more about what you say before criticising others.
I'm using his words.
edit: I'm assuming you're talking to me because I'm the one claiming to have compassion?
It?s to all of who used the word. I should of put a gap to make it clear I was addressing you separately. Sorry.
You are using his words. If someone uses the n word does that mean you would use it?
No, but in order for me to respond to his claims, I need to explain what I'm referring to. It wouldn't have come into it if he wasn't chucking the word round like candy
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Posted - 2020/06/18 : 09:18:26
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Originally posted by MusicILove:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by MusicILove:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by MusicILove:
I am not here to talk politics.
I hate politics now and want nothing to do with them.
Please don?t use the word retard.
As a disabled person I have had that term used against me all my life. It isn?t a nice word to use. As for someone who claims to be compassionate for others maybe you need to think a little more about what you say before criticising others.
I'm using his words.
edit: I'm assuming you're talking to me because I'm the one claiming to have compassion?
It?s to all of who used the word. I should of put a gap to make it clear I was addressing you separately. Sorry.
You are using his words. If someone uses the n word does that mean you would use it?
No, but in order for me to respond to his claims, I need to explain what I'm referring to. It wouldn't have come into it if he wasn't chucking the word round like candy
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What a retard I am to be thinking of them.
No need for it. You didn?t need to add that on the end. But if you were in the same situation with the N word you wouldn?t use it still so why should a word that offends disabled be treated differently.
What you said about the people voting for Brexit being the most affected. Yep that?s me. I voted again under the influence of my family. I thought things would be better. But now I know more I realise how bad things are going to be. :(
I am not like my family. I never want to be like them. They have said some truly disgraceful things through all of this.
I see your point, to be honest, if it was the N word I wouldn't have used it again, but there's a generally accepted replacement of 'N word' to use in its place. You have revealed a bit of a bias in me I suppose, sorry for my repeated use of it after the fact.
I'm glad we're on the same page about the government, I think a lot more people are starting to realise what's going on throughout this, the cries of 'Yeah but what if labour were in charge?' are becoming a lot less frequent when it seems apparent that our government are doing the wrong thing at literally every turn.
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Posted - 2020/06/18 : 09:34:19
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.
Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.
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Posted - 2020/06/18 : 09:44:35
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.
Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.
It's not helpful after the fact, no, the deaths have happened but there are shitloads of experts standing up to say that many of the extra deaths are down to the government. We had time to react, we had time to deal with it but we did nothing. We went against what nearly every other country did in the pursuit of herd immunity because Boris/Cummings thought that their gamble would pay off for the economy. As it happens, the deaths have been completely for nothing, because the economy is also ****ed.
You can see a timeline of government failings here, It's just a list of events, with multiple sources cited, http://appeasement.org/
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Posted - 2020/06/18 : 10:12:01
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.
Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.
Sources claim that a lot of UK deaths are given Covid19 on death certificates even if that was not the actual cause. It might be easier for post mortems to save a build up of cases but our national broadcaster seems to overlook this fact though.
BBC = Boris Bashing Corporation
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Posted - 2020/06/18 : 10:20:47
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.
Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.
Sources claim that a lot of UK deaths are given Covid19 on death certificates even if that was not the actual cause. It might be easier for post mortems to save a build up of cases but our national broadcaster seems to overlook this fact though.
BBC = Boris Bashing Corporation
Are you trying to claim that the government statistics for COVID19 deaths are incorrect? Wouldn't the government be stating it if that were the case?
The actual cause might be a heart attack, brought on by COVID19 (for example).
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Posted - 2020/06/18 : 10:27:46
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.
Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.
It's not helpful after the fact, no, the deaths have happened but there are shitloads of experts standing up to say that many of the extra deaths are down to the government. We had time to react, we had time to deal with it but we did nothing. We went against what nearly every other country did in the pursuit of herd immunity because Boris/Cummings thought that their gamble would pay off for the economy. As it happens, the deaths have been completely for nothing, because the economy is also ****ed.
You can see a timeline of government failings here, It's just a list of events, with multiple sources cited, http://appeasement.org/
Shitloads of experts = a bunch of people on social media with an agenda, who know **** all about anything, but appeal to people like you who are looking for blame as you have an issue with the government.
Look at the bigger picture and stop trying to pick holes in everything that has happened. I hate the term unprecedented but it really is and mistakes are going to be made. Pretty much all countries have made mistakes. You cant fight nature.
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Posted - 2020/06/18 : 10:32:32
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.
Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.
It's not helpful after the fact, no, the deaths have happened but there are shitloads of experts standing up to say that many of the extra deaths are down to the government. We had time to react, we had time to deal with it but we did nothing. We went against what nearly every other country did in the pursuit of herd immunity because Boris/Cummings thought that their gamble would pay off for the economy. As it happens, the deaths have been completely for nothing, because the economy is also ****ed.
You can see a timeline of government failings here, It's just a list of events, with multiple sources cited, http://appeasement.org/
Shitloads of experts = a bunch of people on social media with an agenda, who know **** all about anything, but appeal to people like you who are looking for blame as you have an issue with the government.
Look at the bigger picture and stop trying to pick holes in everything that has happened. I hate the term unprecedented but it really is and mistakes are going to be made. Pretty much all countries have made mistakes. You cant fight nature.
No, not people on social media with an agenda, actual experts.
I'm not trying to pick holes, the holes are there to see, the link I provided shows you the holes. Each claim is sourced and actually happened.
Other countries have made mistakes, we've made more. That's why we've performed so badly. No one in their right mind can say that this has been handled well by the government, and there's no one else to blame - there didn't need to be this many deaths.
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Posted - 2020/06/18 : 10:33:09
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.
Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.
It's not helpful after the fact, no, the deaths have happened but there are shitloads of experts standing up to say that many of the extra deaths are down to the government. We had time to react, we had time to deal with it but we did nothing. We went against what nearly every other country did in the pursuit of herd immunity because Boris/Cummings thought that their gamble would pay off for the economy. As it happens, the deaths have been completely for nothing, because the economy is also ****ed.
You can see a timeline of government failings here, It's just a list of events, with multiple sources cited, http://appeasement.org/
Shitloads of experts = a bunch of people on social media with an agenda, who know **** all about anything, but appeal to people like you who are looking for blame as you have an issue with the government.
Look at the bigger picture and stop trying to pick holes in everything that has happened. I hate the term unprecedented but it really is and mistakes are going to be made. Pretty much all countries have made mistakes. You cant fight nature.
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Posted - 2020/06/18 : 10:46:18
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.
Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.
It's not helpful after the fact, no, the deaths have happened but there are shitloads of experts standing up to say that many of the extra deaths are down to the government. We had time to react, we had time to deal with it but we did nothing. We went against what nearly every other country did in the pursuit of herd immunity because Boris/Cummings thought that their gamble would pay off for the economy. As it happens, the deaths have been completely for nothing, because the economy is also ****ed.
You can see a timeline of government failings here, It's just a list of events, with multiple sources cited, http://appeasement.org/
Shitloads of experts = a bunch of people on social media with an agenda, who know **** all about anything, but appeal to people like you who are looking for blame as you have an issue with the government.
Look at the bigger picture and stop trying to pick holes in everything that has happened. I hate the term unprecedented but it really is and mistakes are going to be made. Pretty much all countries have made mistakes. You cant fight nature.
No, not people on social media with an agenda, actual experts.
I'm not trying to pick holes, the holes are there to see, the link I provided shows you the holes. Each claim is sourced and actually happened.
Other countries have made mistakes, we've made more. That's why we've performed so badly. No one in their right mind can say that this has been handled well by the government, and there's no one else to blame - there didn't need to be this many deaths.
Lol actual experts at what? Having an opinion?
You obviously know a lot about how other countries have dealt with the virus so enlighten me - how have we made more mistakes? And I didnt say it had been handled well I just said its not helpful to blame them - what does it achieve?
Theres no one else to blame? Do you not think that the Chinese government have any part to play in this? Forgetting their awful laws which encourage these wet markets, animal cruelty and awful hygiene practices, how helpful was the coverup and delay in reporting of the outbreak. That alone led to more deaths worldwide than any decisions made by individual governements.
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Posted - 2020/06/18 : 10:46:42
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.
Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.
It's not helpful after the fact, no, the deaths have happened but there are shitloads of experts standing up to say that many of the extra deaths are down to the government. We had time to react, we had time to deal with it but we did nothing. We went against what nearly every other country did in the pursuit of herd immunity because Boris/Cummings thought that their gamble would pay off for the economy. As it happens, the deaths have been completely for nothing, because the economy is also ****ed.
You can see a timeline of government failings here, It's just a list of events, with multiple sources cited, http://appeasement.org/
Shitloads of experts = a bunch of people on social media with an agenda, who know **** all about anything, but appeal to people like you who are looking for blame as you have an issue with the government.
Look at the bigger picture and stop trying to pick holes in everything that has happened. I hate the term unprecedented but it really is and mistakes are going to be made. Pretty much all countries have made mistakes. You cant fight nature.
I dunno if you know you've posted the same thing twice but in the interests of keeping the converation going, here's a bump. (My reply above)
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