Si Thompson Junior Member
United Kingdom
131 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2020/07/30 : 12:53:30
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
It's funny you should mention about MSM omitting stories. When I speak to either my Nan or Grandad about things happening in this country or around the world, they have absolutely no idea what's going on because they don't go online and watch mainstream media. If I ask them now, I bet they don't know anything about what's happening in Portland right now, or these other Democrat runs states.
The sad thing is that is the idea of omission bias. The BBC know full well that they cannot get to everyone with their agenda but their is the middle ground people who do not always follow politics or the news so they vote for what seems to be the best at the time.
Why would anyone want to vote for the Tories when they are clearly going to sell the NHS off to Trump? That was what Corbyn claimed when Russians sent him a document but when the Daily Mail debunked his claims the BBC fell silent. They made a lot of noise when there was a 'boy asleep on a hospital floor' though. The BBC propaganda machine is in full swing and it needs to be sorted out
I posted a video with regards to the NHS a few posts up in this thread. It debunks that myth.
As far as the BBC goes, Boris should decriminalise non-payment of the license fee, or they become a subscription channel/advert funded channel.
The BBC license fee is like walking into the Chip Shop and ordering Fish & Chips. The person serving explains that you must purchase a Sausage as well, you tell them that you don't want a Sausage, and their reply is "You can't have the Fish & Chips then".
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
5,481 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2020/07/30 : 13:38:12
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
The BBC license fee is like walking into the Chip Shop and ordering Fish & Chips. The person serving explains that you must purchase a Sausage as well, you tell them that you don't want a Sausage, and their reply is "You can't have the Fish & Chips then".
It is a few years before the next review of the license fee but rumours are going around that it is being looked at. The BBC should be nervous and I think that it would be awesome if Johnson goes that extra mile and allows Cummings to somehow get involved with it. That should terrify them
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
5,481 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2020/07/31 : 07:13:18
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
Same thing happened in the UK MSM after the EU elections, when the Brexit Party swept the floor with everyone, but somehow the remain camp came out winners ?
The message from the British people couldn't be more clear in both the EU election and the last General Election. I am looking forward to next years Welsh Assembly elections, I think Liebour have done so much damage to themselves here, that they will lose out, BUT there are no viable opposition parties anymore. So tories will pick up seats everywhere. That's not a good thing either, as there is a growing feeling to abolish devolution here in Wales.
Scotland is another place where devolution is failing. But the SNP have a firm grip on things there and won't let go. The fact they want another referendum on independance is a joke, just like the call for another referendum on leaving the EU. Sooner Sturgeon is gone, the better for Scotland tbh. Only have to look at her decisions yesterday to keep gyms and leisure centres closed in Scotland until review September 14th. THat's disgusting and the ppl up there must be livid.
You have to laugh when the losers portray themselves as the winners. The BBC would make out that everyone was unhappy with the leave vote winning or the Tories winning the GE when they select people on the street who share the same views as them.
As for devolution you can blame Blair for that. Even Major warned against it but no one took any notice of him. Sturgeon is power mad and is getting dangerous. Her constant obsession with Indyref2 is beyond pathetic. I post in one Facebook groups full of Scots Nats and they are all heavy left wingers and can be nasty. Most seem to hate the English and make no attempt to hide it. Dare you vote Tory and you are the scum of the Earth in their eyes but the joke is on them. The only party of the 'big three' to offer a second vote on independece was Labour and the SNP have taken all of Labour's seats which is the only good thing about them
Si Thompson Junior Member
United Kingdom
131 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2020/07/31 : 07:39:39
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
Same thing happened in the UK MSM after the EU elections, when the Brexit Party swept the floor with everyone, but somehow the remain camp came out winners ?
The message from the British people couldn't be more clear in both the EU election and the last General Election. I am looking forward to next years Welsh Assembly elections, I think Liebour have done so much damage to themselves here, that they will lose out, BUT there are no viable opposition parties anymore. So tories will pick up seats everywhere. That's not a good thing either, as there is a growing feeling to abolish devolution here in Wales.
Scotland is another place where devolution is failing. But the SNP have a firm grip on things there and won't let go. The fact they want another referendum on independance is a joke, just like the call for another referendum on leaving the EU. Sooner Sturgeon is gone, the better for Scotland tbh. Only have to look at her decisions yesterday to keep gyms and leisure centres closed in Scotland until review September 14th. THat's disgusting and the ppl up there must be livid.
Samination Advanced Member
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Posted - 2020/07/31 : 08:04:17
I wouldn't call winning an election with 1-2% a "sweeping victory". For **** sake, Hillary Clinton had a lot more than that in the 2016 US election
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Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
5,481 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2020/07/31 : 17:59:30
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
Speaking of Sturgeon. This was great!
lol not so good when she has not got her fans backing her up.
Neil has to be the only decent one left at the BBC who does actually make them work for the camera rather than just nodding along. Corbyn got absolutely roasted by Neil as well
Posted - 2020/08/01 : 10:29:21
Yes Scotland is brutal and has been since 2014 with the first independence referendum. Too many Scots have this perception of us being an open and welcoming bunch when the truth is we are largely unaffected by half the shite happening south of the border. I wonder how opinions would change if we started having entire towns and cities overrun by Muslim communities or similar?
As for sturgeon, I am no fan of her due to her motivations and drive on independence. Even I have to admit though, she is generally very good at speaking on camera and generally represents Scotland well in the wider world.
The SNP are failing on so many fronts but when challenged they blame Westminster. The only reason they are continually voted in is because so many are in favour of independence. Unfortunately I think it will happen in the next 10 years or so.
Si Thompson Junior Member
United Kingdom
131 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2020/08/01 : 13:37:59
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
Speaking of Sturgeon. This was great!
lol not so good when she has not got her fans backing her up.
Neil has to be the only decent one left at the BBC who does actually make them work for the camera rather than just nodding along. Corbyn got absolutely roasted by Neil as well
I think the BBC have cancelled Andrew Neil's show. Typical.
Alert moderatorEdited by - Si Thompson on 2020/08/01 14:47:38
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
5,481 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2020/08/02 : 11:04:27
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
This is a good video and the lad is spot on.
I've been watching quite a bit of Haryan Glaeddyv, he's a decent commentator.
Some interesting points. I did not know there was a LGBT wing of the Tories. They don't bother me but I do not take the knee for them.
Funny as Emily Hewerston did put and article up about 'The Tories are not really Conservative' a while ago and I wonder if that was a response to this video.
Personally I don't get what the deal with this is. People looking for a more right wing alternative?
The only more right wing party is UKIP and they seem to be full of BNP types so no one is interested in them and if you think that the Brexit Party under Farage is a better alternative then you might be disappointed. A lot of their support and funding seems to come from the left wing side of the leave vote which contrary to popular belief was actually a large part of the leave campaign. Not every leave voter was a right winger. I sense a Brexit Party or Reform Party in power would be a Blairite Party only one that supports Brexit.
Si Thompson Junior Member
United Kingdom
131 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2020/08/02 : 11:53:02
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
This is a good video and the lad is spot on.
I've been watching quite a bit of Haryan Glaeddyv, he's a decent commentator.
Some interesting points. I did not know there was a LGBT wing of the Tories. They don't bother me but I do not take the knee for them.
Funny as Emily Hewerston did put and article up about 'The Tories are not really Conservative' a while ago and I wonder if that was a response to this video.
Personally I don't get what the deal with this is. People looking for a more right wing alternative?
The only more right wing party is UKIP and they seem to be full of BNP types so no one is interested in them and if you think that the Brexit Party under Farage is a better alternative then you might be disappointed. A lot of their support and funding seems to come from the left wing side of the leave vote which contrary to popular belief was actually a large part of the leave campaign. Not every leave voter was a right winger. I sense a Brexit Party or Reform Party in power would be a Blairite Party only one that supports Brexit.
Simple. A party that is centre or right of centre.
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
5,481 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2020/08/02 : 15:29:15
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
Simple. A party that is centre or right of centre.
The Tories are right of centre. They picked up a lot from the centre ground as there was no centre ground party representing Brexit considering all the centre and left parties where trying their hardest to stop Brexit.
Si Thompson Junior Member
United Kingdom
131 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2020/08/02 : 16:36:04
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
Simple. A party that is centre or right of centre.
The Tories are right of centre. They picked up a lot from the centre ground as there was no centre ground party representing Brexit considering all the centre and left parties where trying their hardest to stop Brexit.
The Tories are NOT right of centre as a party now. They are only right of centre if you're a communist.
As for voters, the Overton window has shifted for all of us. Anyone now right of Karl Marx is considered far right.
As far as the Tories go..
Uncontrolled immigration (Illegals coming in daily by the boat load)
Diversity quotas
Mandatory Diversity training (Home Office & Police)
Hate speech investigations
That isn't a right of centre government. A Conservative government is supposed to conserve traditions & protect heritage amongst other things. They have a 80 seat majority and they aren't doing any of that for me.
Si Thompson Junior Member
United Kingdom
131 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2020/08/04 : 08:26:25
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
In all honesty, the whole political system in the UK is ****ed up, but then I blame 100% the PC brigade. You can't make a decision anymore without committees blocking you, or you hitting a mile of red tape.
You can't govern that way. You can't make decisions for a country with a noose around your neck. And Brexit proved this is the case more than anything before. The country was crippled and the whole process stopped due to the MP's being able to pass motion after motion blocking Brexit. It was only until Boris said i'll get it done, did it get done.
That's not politics, that's not democracy, that's a corrupt institution showing it's true colours.
There is no party i'll be voting for on a national level, but in Wales, I support the abolishing of the Welsh Government, and UKIP / Abolish the Welsh assembly are the only parties really supporting that.
Yeah. That was an absolute joke, and Boris did have his hands tied during that period up until December last year. I want to see some real change going forward now, and strong leadership from the Tories with their 80 seat majority. Otherwise, I'm going to have no party to vote for either come the next election.
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